Elaine
04-26-2008, 02:28 AM
Someone forwarded this McNealy post to me (copied below in blue) ... they were vacillating somewhere between outrage at McNealy’s hypocrisy and disgust over this woman’s pompous ignorant assessments of what breeders do (and why), when she does NOT own, breed or show Dobermans. As an side to all of this, apparently the Code of Ethics WAS mandatory in 1999. About that time the DPCA BoD (through Pat Cornelius) changed the CoE to be what it is today... a guideline. I suspect that people will be on here shortly to flesh out the details.
I take this CD idiots’ Double Dog Dare as a request for us to comment... so here it is. As you read through what McNealy writes, keep this in mind, McNealy does not own, breed or show dogs, yet she can go on for about 1000 words on the whys and wherefores. You've gotta ask yourself, "How the heck would she know what motivates breeders? She ain't one!!!" Her name is not on the line as “breeder” on any litter. No dog show catalog lists her as breeder or exhibitor... on any entry. She could not become an AKC judge because she does not have the qualifications... all she has is a keyboard and a moronic agenda.
There is a reason the AKC requires authorities like Approved AKC judges to actually breed litters. Doing so gives one direct hands-on experience. Owning, breeding and showing dogs involves actually putting yourself on the line, to decide on a breeding combination, then to do the breeding, care for the pregnant bitch, whelp the litter, tend to all the puppy's physical and emotional needs, get them docked and cropped... clean up after them 24/7, train them, socialize them... and then, as time goes on, analyze who and what they are and carefully place them in homes you hope will be the right match for the individual puppy... then, as they mature further, you get them out and into the show ring... (or you encourage your puppy owners to get them out), to be judged again and again - with the best of the best in their breed... taking your lumps as you go, letting the ring be an objective arbitrator of whether your breeding was successful or not... after all of this, and after seeing the living results what you’ve produced, you do it all again... for generations.... when you've done all this, you can sit back and throw darts if you like. Until then, you can't.
For those of us who have owned, bred and shown dogs, do you think for one minute we’re going to be impressed when this Bag-o-Gas McNealy comes along and tells us all why we do what we do. On what planet are her moronic biased theories of any value what-so-ever? Certainly not here on planet earth. To understand what motivates a breeder you have to breed. To understand what motivates people who show dogs, you have to show dogs. You have to put in the years and the hard work. You have to make the commitment and sacrifices to pay for it all. You have to make owning, breeding and showing "the" priority in your life... over an extended period of time. Doing so gives you a credible perspective on why we do what we do. This is not a perspective you get sitting on the side lines while other people are doing the heavily lifting.
Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cheri McNealy <cheri.mcnealy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cyberdobes] The Detroit deal - and some food for
thought....
> We sure do - and with a CoE that is basically nothing more than a "guideline" - with no teeth, no consequences, no NOTHING useful in terms of "insistance"....the only real avenue open here, amongst ourselves (cuz we sure as Hell ain't gonna be guiding outsiders!) - is PEER PRESSURE.
Nobody here is stupid. Au contraire mon amie, you are dumb as dirt if you think “we” can’t see that this rant is directed at someone in particular. Let’s take a wild guess who. Could the intitials be MS? Nobody doing this for more than five minutes isn't "getting it" about who's breeding what and how often. Nobody here isn't wise to the ones who "can't take her back now, I have two litters here!" - so they throw fifty bucks (if they're in the mood) at the local rescue while they look towards the new "batch" of puppies to make them famous or KEEP THEM FAMOUS. Nobody here CAN'T COUNT when Best Breeder Of Many Champions shows up with puppies and adults in every class and some of them are out of the same bitch over and over again - as well as the same dogs....or, in the puppy classes, there are SEVERAL litters from the same breeder born within days/weeks of each other. Psychologist's have terminology that applies to the McNealys of the world - “Socially Reinforced Delusional Self-Awareness.” Essentially, the delusion is that - over time - you come to view the bullshit your spewing as being of value on planet earth, because no one stands up and points out the obvious, “You’re full of cr@p.”
> If they're WINNERS, or "famous" - it's okay. We don't say much because shit rolls down hill - on to US. Not on to the big winner - who's just "improving" the breed by leaps and bounds...which means THOSE OF YOU WHO COMPLAIN ARE LOSERS, YOU'RE ALL JEALOUS, and as long as a few champions result from their efforts - we should SHUT UP. Of course they're NOT responsible for any breeding, anywhere, at any time that puts dogs in harms way or creates problems for rescue! OF COURSE NOT!!! That dog in the third generation back that's sired by one of their Champions - bred to a marginal bitch for the stud fee so they'd have money to advertise? Nobody was supposed to know about THAT one - and if they find out - the claim is always "I was just trying to help....teach...mentor...." Yeah, SURE YOU WERE! Again, this is one of those ever-so-specific thinly disguised McNealy rants.. You’ve just gotta wonder, who’s stuck up her craw now? Again, the default answer is always MS.
> If only ALL OF US WOULD be willing to sacrifice all where those puppies are concerned - so we can "crunch the numbers"....let's face it folks: you breed a litter every year or every other year, you better know what you're doing and if "nothing" comes of it (i.e. champions!), someone is going to whang you over the head for your "failure" - while the individual who owns every Doberman uterus they ever produced, and is prepared to breed EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, non-stop, year in and year out....they don't have to try so hard for those "successes" - now do they? The BoG lost me with the word "US"... she ain’t one of "us" because she does not own, breed or show dogs. She is not in the game... she is on the side lines, bitching and moaning about those who are.
> So - we hand them credibility and fame on a breeding platter....and because they "know" what they're doing and regularly "prove it", they're not subject to the same rules as the rest of us. Betty Breeder who did one litter last year and got 2 or 3 nice champions from it - OR EVEN ONE - is hard pressed to "argue" with the one who has five bitches to breed this year alone and no qualms about making sure every last one of them has that "special" litter!
> I wonder - if people really LOOKED at the "big picture" - and made the connections - on all fronts (including numbers of puppies vs champions/improvements made; and come on, multiple litters per year NEVER result in dogs being returned or needing help?) - would we be so quick to admire and excuse these "batch breeders" (one batch after another - just like makin' cookies!) IF WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR MORE THAN A MINUTE? Here’s what I’m willing to think about for "more than a minute" ... how the heck did this unaccomplished woman ever get an audience? Was it because 10 years ago people were desperate to breed to Linda’s dogs, so they put up with this? Or were people just afraid to cross McNealy when she was a smaller fish in her mud puddle, and now, most people realize she’s way out of control and they simply can’t type as fast as she can. I don’t get it, because you simply can not be impressed with her over simplifications and bizarre conclusions about why any of us own, breed and show dogs.
.. > It's all about "the win". I guess not only in dogs - but in "real" life too. The thing that pisses me off is that "in dogs" - it don't have to be that way. It's a HOBBY. It's our "magnificient obsession". Our lives don't depend on it - but the lives of those ANIMALS - HOW DO THEY BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING? E-X-C-U-S-E me Babe, but the word “our” does not apply to you; I’ll give you “obsession.” We’ve all seen your obsessions over the years, directed at one person after another, after another, after another, after another... but how the hell would you know what “it’s about”... you aren’t in the game.
> And why do so damned many of you - who CAN count - CAN see - DO know - turn away quietly when yet another "winner" is produced by one of the untouchables - knowing full well what it took and WHO paid for them to get there?????
> Cheri
> Our Code of Ethics is a joke and a half. Every single suggestion for improving it - making it "count" - has gone no where in this breed for so long, and has been tried by so many - that we now just don't give a shit because we know the truth: we sign it to become part of the organization ONLY - not because we believe it's important or should be honored....it's the way in - so say what you need to say and once you're a member - the mantel of respectability and the threat of being ostrasized if you comment on someone who regularly ignores the "guidelines" - just plain ass goes with the territory. WE ACCEPT IT.
> And because we're part of this elite (as it should be: ELITE!) group of fanciers dedicated to the preservation and protection of "the breed" - we have a RIGHT and an OBLIGATION to bitch at the top of our lungs when a non-winner, unknown individual does exactly the same thing our icons do year in and year out - for the win and for the money to finance their next winner. Again... you are not part of “we” ... you do not own, breed or show dogs. And there is absolutely nothing I have ever read of your thought process that suggests you have a clue what motivates others. Before you offer a single syllable of response, buy a Doberman, show it through its championship, breed a few generations... do the grunt work... all of it... from inspiration through conception - from newborn puppy to finished champion... and then on to the next generation... with your name and pocketbook on the line as breeder, owner and exhibitor.
> I double dog dare you - any of you - to show me the error of my ways in this argument.
Do the work, foot the bills, take the risks, be accountable... then report back. Until then, shut up! -Elaine
> Cheri
I take this CD idiots’ Double Dog Dare as a request for us to comment... so here it is. As you read through what McNealy writes, keep this in mind, McNealy does not own, breed or show dogs, yet she can go on for about 1000 words on the whys and wherefores. You've gotta ask yourself, "How the heck would she know what motivates breeders? She ain't one!!!" Her name is not on the line as “breeder” on any litter. No dog show catalog lists her as breeder or exhibitor... on any entry. She could not become an AKC judge because she does not have the qualifications... all she has is a keyboard and a moronic agenda.
There is a reason the AKC requires authorities like Approved AKC judges to actually breed litters. Doing so gives one direct hands-on experience. Owning, breeding and showing dogs involves actually putting yourself on the line, to decide on a breeding combination, then to do the breeding, care for the pregnant bitch, whelp the litter, tend to all the puppy's physical and emotional needs, get them docked and cropped... clean up after them 24/7, train them, socialize them... and then, as time goes on, analyze who and what they are and carefully place them in homes you hope will be the right match for the individual puppy... then, as they mature further, you get them out and into the show ring... (or you encourage your puppy owners to get them out), to be judged again and again - with the best of the best in their breed... taking your lumps as you go, letting the ring be an objective arbitrator of whether your breeding was successful or not... after all of this, and after seeing the living results what you’ve produced, you do it all again... for generations.... when you've done all this, you can sit back and throw darts if you like. Until then, you can't.
For those of us who have owned, bred and shown dogs, do you think for one minute we’re going to be impressed when this Bag-o-Gas McNealy comes along and tells us all why we do what we do. On what planet are her moronic biased theories of any value what-so-ever? Certainly not here on planet earth. To understand what motivates a breeder you have to breed. To understand what motivates people who show dogs, you have to show dogs. You have to put in the years and the hard work. You have to make the commitment and sacrifices to pay for it all. You have to make owning, breeding and showing "the" priority in your life... over an extended period of time. Doing so gives you a credible perspective on why we do what we do. This is not a perspective you get sitting on the side lines while other people are doing the heavily lifting.
Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cheri McNealy <cheri.mcnealy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cyberdobes] The Detroit deal - and some food for
thought....
> We sure do - and with a CoE that is basically nothing more than a "guideline" - with no teeth, no consequences, no NOTHING useful in terms of "insistance"....the only real avenue open here, amongst ourselves (cuz we sure as Hell ain't gonna be guiding outsiders!) - is PEER PRESSURE.
Nobody here is stupid. Au contraire mon amie, you are dumb as dirt if you think “we” can’t see that this rant is directed at someone in particular. Let’s take a wild guess who. Could the intitials be MS? Nobody doing this for more than five minutes isn't "getting it" about who's breeding what and how often. Nobody here isn't wise to the ones who "can't take her back now, I have two litters here!" - so they throw fifty bucks (if they're in the mood) at the local rescue while they look towards the new "batch" of puppies to make them famous or KEEP THEM FAMOUS. Nobody here CAN'T COUNT when Best Breeder Of Many Champions shows up with puppies and adults in every class and some of them are out of the same bitch over and over again - as well as the same dogs....or, in the puppy classes, there are SEVERAL litters from the same breeder born within days/weeks of each other. Psychologist's have terminology that applies to the McNealys of the world - “Socially Reinforced Delusional Self-Awareness.” Essentially, the delusion is that - over time - you come to view the bullshit your spewing as being of value on planet earth, because no one stands up and points out the obvious, “You’re full of cr@p.”
> If they're WINNERS, or "famous" - it's okay. We don't say much because shit rolls down hill - on to US. Not on to the big winner - who's just "improving" the breed by leaps and bounds...which means THOSE OF YOU WHO COMPLAIN ARE LOSERS, YOU'RE ALL JEALOUS, and as long as a few champions result from their efforts - we should SHUT UP. Of course they're NOT responsible for any breeding, anywhere, at any time that puts dogs in harms way or creates problems for rescue! OF COURSE NOT!!! That dog in the third generation back that's sired by one of their Champions - bred to a marginal bitch for the stud fee so they'd have money to advertise? Nobody was supposed to know about THAT one - and if they find out - the claim is always "I was just trying to help....teach...mentor...." Yeah, SURE YOU WERE! Again, this is one of those ever-so-specific thinly disguised McNealy rants.. You’ve just gotta wonder, who’s stuck up her craw now? Again, the default answer is always MS.
> If only ALL OF US WOULD be willing to sacrifice all where those puppies are concerned - so we can "crunch the numbers"....let's face it folks: you breed a litter every year or every other year, you better know what you're doing and if "nothing" comes of it (i.e. champions!), someone is going to whang you over the head for your "failure" - while the individual who owns every Doberman uterus they ever produced, and is prepared to breed EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, non-stop, year in and year out....they don't have to try so hard for those "successes" - now do they? The BoG lost me with the word "US"... she ain’t one of "us" because she does not own, breed or show dogs. She is not in the game... she is on the side lines, bitching and moaning about those who are.
> So - we hand them credibility and fame on a breeding platter....and because they "know" what they're doing and regularly "prove it", they're not subject to the same rules as the rest of us. Betty Breeder who did one litter last year and got 2 or 3 nice champions from it - OR EVEN ONE - is hard pressed to "argue" with the one who has five bitches to breed this year alone and no qualms about making sure every last one of them has that "special" litter!
> I wonder - if people really LOOKED at the "big picture" - and made the connections - on all fronts (including numbers of puppies vs champions/improvements made; and come on, multiple litters per year NEVER result in dogs being returned or needing help?) - would we be so quick to admire and excuse these "batch breeders" (one batch after another - just like makin' cookies!) IF WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR MORE THAN A MINUTE? Here’s what I’m willing to think about for "more than a minute" ... how the heck did this unaccomplished woman ever get an audience? Was it because 10 years ago people were desperate to breed to Linda’s dogs, so they put up with this? Or were people just afraid to cross McNealy when she was a smaller fish in her mud puddle, and now, most people realize she’s way out of control and they simply can’t type as fast as she can. I don’t get it, because you simply can not be impressed with her over simplifications and bizarre conclusions about why any of us own, breed and show dogs.
.. > It's all about "the win". I guess not only in dogs - but in "real" life too. The thing that pisses me off is that "in dogs" - it don't have to be that way. It's a HOBBY. It's our "magnificient obsession". Our lives don't depend on it - but the lives of those ANIMALS - HOW DO THEY BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING? E-X-C-U-S-E me Babe, but the word “our” does not apply to you; I’ll give you “obsession.” We’ve all seen your obsessions over the years, directed at one person after another, after another, after another, after another... but how the hell would you know what “it’s about”... you aren’t in the game.
> And why do so damned many of you - who CAN count - CAN see - DO know - turn away quietly when yet another "winner" is produced by one of the untouchables - knowing full well what it took and WHO paid for them to get there?????
> Cheri
> Our Code of Ethics is a joke and a half. Every single suggestion for improving it - making it "count" - has gone no where in this breed for so long, and has been tried by so many - that we now just don't give a shit because we know the truth: we sign it to become part of the organization ONLY - not because we believe it's important or should be honored....it's the way in - so say what you need to say and once you're a member - the mantel of respectability and the threat of being ostrasized if you comment on someone who regularly ignores the "guidelines" - just plain ass goes with the territory. WE ACCEPT IT.
> And because we're part of this elite (as it should be: ELITE!) group of fanciers dedicated to the preservation and protection of "the breed" - we have a RIGHT and an OBLIGATION to bitch at the top of our lungs when a non-winner, unknown individual does exactly the same thing our icons do year in and year out - for the win and for the money to finance their next winner. Again... you are not part of “we” ... you do not own, breed or show dogs. And there is absolutely nothing I have ever read of your thought process that suggests you have a clue what motivates others. Before you offer a single syllable of response, buy a Doberman, show it through its championship, breed a few generations... do the grunt work... all of it... from inspiration through conception - from newborn puppy to finished champion... and then on to the next generation... with your name and pocketbook on the line as breeder, owner and exhibitor.
> I double dog dare you - any of you - to show me the error of my ways in this argument.
Do the work, foot the bills, take the risks, be accountable... then report back. Until then, shut up! -Elaine
> Cheri