RODOGARDS G-11 LITTER UPDATE.. MORE EXCITING NEWS FROM MEXICO

[Dr.ROBY.ALEX.GEORGE]

Sicalam Mexico 2010 - Best of Breed September 19,
Judge: Miguel Angel Martinez
MEXICAN CH & VENCEDORA SICALAM Rodogard's Arg Gentle Gennie ( Br Ch Homero De Akido San & Kettle Cove Light Up My Sky )
BREEDER: DR.ROBY.ALEX.GEORGE,RODOGARDS ARG.

[Elaine]

Very nice!

Here is a link to the pedigree of Ch. Homero De Akido San http://www.dobequest.org/pedigree.php?=1&DOGID=40175 Homero is an Oozie son out of an inbred (backcrossing - i.e. father to daughter breeding) Lex Luthor bitch. Homero is the full sibling of Zuca De Akido San, who last I heard is in India with Sanjay. There is a DSNN thread on Zuca here http://www.dogshownewsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003&highlight=Zuca


I have to go look again at the pedigree of Kettle Cove Light Up My Sky, but I think she is the daughter of Ch Cambria's Caracas of Kettle Cove http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=1453 a bitch who is in turn out of Ch. Cambria's Vision V. Carlon, who is a bitch I like very much.

Ch Cambria's Vision v Carlon is a Thunder daughter out of a Chaos bitch http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=7165 She is in our pedigree through her daughter Cambria’s Cardiac Arrest (who is the dam of Claire’s dam). Cardiac Arrest is also the dam of Ch. Cambria's Victoria Secret, who, bred to Alex, produced Jackson (Ch. D's Remember When) and the lovely red littermate bitch Karma - Cambria's Must Be Fate http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=44781

Ch Cambria's Vision v Carlon is out of Ch Carlon's Mirage of Bikila http://www.dobequest.org/profile.php?DOGID=7169 who had at least two important litters, one from Eddie which produced a litter that has proven to be very important to Cindy Huckfeldt and Mona Fasth’s breeding program through Ch Carlon's Rockin' Robin; and the other by Thunder, producing Ch Cambria's Vision v Carlon who has featured in the pedigrees of the Whites, Dinardos and others.

Seems to me that we breeders need to focus on our great bitches in the breed, and by "great" I do not mean bitches owned by handlers who's one goal is to own records reflecting nothing but numbers. Rather, I think we need to focus on bitches that produce quality that we look for again and again in our pedigrees. Those bitches are very rare, and worth their weight in gold. There is a strong clear phenotype that follows this dam line that is worth taking a long hard look at.

[Dr.ROBY.ALEX.GEORGE]

hello elaine ,thanx for detailing.

[Elaine]

You're welcome. I think you are on to something very very good, though I really think you will need to go out in the next generation. Focus on retaining the phenotype you have, but introduce some genetic diversity. I would offer that you need to focus on smooth well laid on shoulders, a really strong top-line and loin connection, and a good tail set. :)

As you may know, we breed Warmblood Sporthorses, we use imported semen from Germany and basically follow what the Verbands over their do. The Holsteiner Verband is, by far and away, T-H-E most influential Verband in the world in terms of producing top class show jumpers. The Holsteiner “C” line dominants show jumping and has for as long as I can remember. Holstein breeders identify the great mare lines by the Stamm numbers. Mares descending from the great Stamm lines DO NOT get out of Germany. They are simply too valued. I would offer that bitches descending from great dam lines should be held in the same high regard. Dog breeders, if they have a multi-generational strategy at all (and most don’t), tend to focus far to heavily on the top of the pedigree and the sires.

As we all know, there are no discussion forums that truly discuss breeding philosophies. For that matter, most breeding philosophies are no more sophisticated then this trivial one generation view; “Oh I’m so thrilled, I just bred Floppsy to the top winning Multi Ch. Bippy –The-Boo, who my handler showed. Handler assures me that he/she can sell all the puppies.”

That type of breeding strategy reflects an utter lack of knowledge of structure and movement; a near criminal inability to accurately assess the dog in front of you; and, the sheer lunacy that your handler should be making your breeding decisions. And the cherry on top; the entire enterprise is based on what will sell, rather then what will be good for the breed, the coming generation and/or generations into the future.

Breeders would do well to take a good look at their bottom line. Most pedigrees fall off to utter mediocrity in the bottom line. As any successful breeder knows, the bottom line is GOLD, it is the foundation we build upon. We should understand and value good producing dam lines, whether in dogs or horses. Good is not defined by “she won this or that, or produced one or two fluke dog[s] of value.” Rather, a good dam line is defined by the serial production of quality, of a specific phenotype, that is valued, again and again, when bred to a variety of males over successive generations.

[Dr.ROBY.ALEX.GEORGE]

hello elaine, when i planned this litter g-11 , the sire homero was young and not even finished his title. actually i had plans to use some other male. but since homero was available and seeing homeros pedigree i never had to search more. but when i discussed with some friends abt using homero to selene they were not that much impreesed abt the combinaton. at that time homero had sired just one litter and i was impressed by his producing.so the g-11s happened. if it was marketing intentions i would have never used homero.

[Elaine]

It looks like you made an excellent choice. :) (I should note that you have the benefit of actually putting your hands on these dogs, so your opinions of these specific animals are far more valuable than those of us who are merely looking at photos).

Like you, I chose to use Trotyl when I saw him at 15 months, in the classes… on a day when our Tungsten beat him for the points, which is long before he became a popular sire. We had our first Trotyl litter on the ground before Trotyl even finished. Our Trotyl – Brentina litter was his second litter. Trotyl is not the perfect Doberman by any stretch of the imagination, nor is he the perfect show dog, but he is an excellent sire by any measure. The best of what he produces is very very very good, and that has been pretty consistent across a rather wide range of phenotypes and pedigrees, though I think he does best when put to a moderate bitch with some classic American bloodlines.

[Backbone Kennel]

Hello Elaine,
First of all I would like to clarify certain things. Rodogard's Arg Gambler Ghost and all of his brothers & sisters were a litter of Roby but born at my home when he was owner of Kettle Cove Light Up My Sky ( Selene). Right now Selene is under our ownership, as Homero, Gambler Ghost ( Bart ) & Gloria Gaynor, (Glorya Gaynor was stud service payment and Gambler Ghost was purchased to Roby). Unfortunately Roby has no nothing of this litter.
When he planned to matted Selene, he wanted to do it with Wizard de Akido San but he was at shows in Brazil, so we proposed Roby to do it with Homero ( he is our dog too).
In our website you can see another Homero & Bart offspring
http://www.backbone-kennel.com.ar
Thanks for your opinion about this dogs
Best Regards
Andrea

[Elaine]

I am just now reading through your website… and as you will note from my question, I did not get very far. Do you have photos of 1993 World Dog Show Am. Ch. Gr. Ch. Arg.World Ch. Eddie Tato Von Norwalfer? Is that him with you and Judge Jim Bennett on the Handling Past page of your website?

Edited... I see by the text under the photo that it is not.

[Backbone Kennel]

Hello Elaine.
The dog which you are talking about is Derby Von Norwalfer his mother was the same as Eddie Tato Von Norwalfer (Simon) , and both of them bred by my husband parents.
This is Eddie Tato Von Norwalfer
Regards
Andrea

[Elaine]

Thank you for the photo.

Getting back to the Dobermans... your pedigree is very interesting. This bitch is extraordinary MEXICAN CH & VENCEDORA SICALAM Rodogard's Arg Gentle Gennie ( Br Ch Homero De Akido San & Kettle Cove Light Up My Sky).

Is Selene being bred again?

[Backbone Kennel]

Elaine,
Thanks for your words about our Dobs. Gentle Gennie lives with her owner and friend in Mexico.
Selene just has bred once more time, her puppies are 50 days old. She was mated with Alex de Akido San, and in a distant future we plan to mated her with some dog in linebreeding.
Regards
Andrea

[Elaine]

I wish you all the best with the Alex litter. She is a lovely bitch.

[Backbone Kennel]

Thank you so much